Why are Muslims so afraid of true dialog w/o limits?

[jfreedom]

Your rules of dialog on the "forum" demonstrate that you are afraid of true dialog. You can define just about anything as 'insulting' and then ban whoever it is that is challenging your unholy beliefs. That is the way of the coward.

Religion is a system of beliefs. If we are going to discuss Islam, a religion, then we must look at your beliefs. Challenging your beliefs can be and usually is very insulting to the stupidest people. But it is the only way that true growth can happen.

So go to ############# for a REAL discussion of your beliefs.

Moderator: Announcing non Islamic groups and sites on the forum is forbidden as clearly stated in the Forums Rules.

[Ms Knight]

Our rules insistes on no insults, because we are a group or respectable people that respects ourselves, their religion and others. We know how to talk, discuss, disagree politely, and this is being brave. Insults were never a way to say we are brave, on the contrary, shouting and insulting is the things cowards use to hide after since they have nothing to say.

If you are a respectable, brave person who really want to know, think, agree and disagree then welcome on board. And you can visit our Deebates and discussions forum, there you will see how challenging things are.

[Truth Knight]

Your rules of dialog on the "forum" demonstrate that you are afraid of true dialog. You can define just about anything as 'insulting' and then ban whoever it is that is challenging your unholy beliefs.

Actually this forum's rules are some of the clearest in the world. You cannot insult God -and we can't insult yours either- or any religious icon, regardless of which religion is in question. If you think these rules demonstrate that people are afraid -rather than civilized- then I think this isn't the place for you.

That is the way of the coward.

Thank you. Just the fact that the moderators "bent the rules" to pass your posts while you call their beliefs unholy and calling them cowards shows the type of person you are and the type of forum this is, don't you think?

Religion is a system of beliefs. If we are going to discuss Islam, a religion, then we must look at your beliefs. Challenging your beliefs can be and usually is very insulting to the stupidest people. But it is the only way that true growth can happen.

If you had just one look around the forum, you would have refrained from making such a naive comment. Without going into details about whether the stupidest people are those who make claims without investigation or others, if you looked around the forum past your desire to announce your group, you would have seen that all aspects of Islam have been -and are being- scrutinized by non Muslims and Muslims. In fact, some non Muslims were insulting to everything Muslim, and still their posts were not deleted.

So before you lecture us on how growth happens, please check your data first. It's what anyone beyond 4th grade would do to any important subject.

So go to ############# for a REAL discussion of your beliefs.

And there you have it. The true reason for this post.

We are here, and we are all willing to discuss anything you want with you or anyone else interested to know, fact-check, understand, discuss or even disagree. No need to try to elude us to another forum or group.

Hope to see more of you in more "rational" posts.

[Amatullah]

Jfreedom.......I was a Christian for 35 years and then an atheist for a few additional years. I became a Muslim last June. I used to feel the same way as you do about 'censorship'. We do try very hard to let a member know if something isn't acceptable. We explain why and ask for them to revise their comments. What many people don't understand is we serve and worship Allah (SWT). We follow Him of our own free will, out of love. To allow someone to say ugly and hateful things about Allah (SWT) doesn't make sense. Again we love and freely follow Allah (SWT), so why would it be okay to allow people to come to the site and insult Him (SWT)? How could that not matter to us?

You don't know us and you are already suggesting that we don't desire an honest dialogue. If you really want to learn about what we believe and would like to share what you believe, why would you suggest right off the bat that we will not deal with you fairly? We would love to discuss our 'religion' and yours, if you have one. We have asked many direct questions about Christianity that have not been answered yet and we have not kicked out anyone who has tried. Even when they have crossed the line.

Rather than come just to bait us and plug another group, why don't you give ours a chance. I see freedom of speech, not as just saying anything you darn well please. Freedom of speech is an open honest discussion without the game-playing that so many do. Do you want to WIN some game or do you want to learn what is true and what is false? Islam is literally our lives and we are always pleased to share and help you understand what is true. It honestly doesn't matter to us if you reject every word we say. It is not an insult to us if you don't believe. It is your choice and Allah (SWT) has instructed us to tell you about Islam, but then we are happy to leave you in peace to accept or reject whatever you wish to. I hope you have come here to exchange information rather than 'fight'. We have no need or compulsion to 'win' anything and would just like to discuss 'religion' with you. We are prohibited from insulting you too and if we do, please let us know and we will do our best not to continue doing so. I hope you will at least make an attempt to have some respectful dialogue with us. Thank you.

[The seeker]

an without "insults" there can be no reall dialogue ? !
Oh people , look where your way of thinking has gone !
You know Jesusfreedom , i once thought that a respectfull talk is the best way to pass ideas , . . Eh seems i was wrong .

[The seeker]

A small addition :
everyone is so welcome here to discuss anything about faiths , being it Islam , Judaism , Christianity and even others of non heavenly religions , openly , and calmly .
The rules are made so that we dont turn our talk into battles , nothing can be far from truth than " battling " for whatever belief you have .

[LayDominican]

Blessings to all on this board.

JesusFreedom:

I am a Roman Catholic, and when I first came here, I had a chip on my shoulder. A really good friend of mine, in fact my best friend, became a Muslim and we could no longer talk, as the laws of God forbid it. At first I called the people names, insulted their holy book, and the Prophet. I left this group twice and came back each time. I was never kicked off this site and believe me, when I loose my temper, I can be really nasty.

But if you want respect from these people, regardless of who or what they believe, you must first show it. Your post not only is disrespectful to those people here, but also to we Christians. So far, I would have to say we Christians have nothing but perpetuate a false idea about who Christians really are. You and I are guest on in this home. As Christians we are duty bound to show respect. Yes, we may disagree with something they say or something that you have read that seems to go agaisnt what those here claim is true Islamic faith.

I am here to learn. To understand what Islam is all about, and is it possible to find common ground with our brothers and sisters here. Yes,JFreedom, they believe in the same God as our Jewish brothers and sisters believe. And it is the very same God that we believe. Our difference is our belief in who Jesus is.

In closing, I will remind you that Jesus talked to and used Samarians in his preaching; and they were a people considered unclean for a Jew to talk to or help. Remember who the Good Samarian is. Reread it, and understand the message Jesus is teaching. May God Bless us all and those we love....LayDominican.